EP14: Breaking Burnout: Insights and Practical Solutions for managing Burnout

In this episode of the Uncommon Man Project Podcast, hosts Joshua Hamilton, Nick Vonpitt, and Harry Orr delve into the pervasive issue of burnout and how it affects high-performing men. Discover why traditional methods fail to address the root causes of burnout and learn practical, effective strategies to overcome it.

What You'll Learn:

• Identifying Burnout: Understand the early warning signs and symptoms of burnout, from chronic fatigue to emotional detachment.
• Root Causes: Explore the underlying issues that lead to burnout, including societal pressures and the need for constant validation.
• Effective Tools and Techniques: Gain access to three actionable tools that will help you manage stress, rebuild your energy, and realign with your core values.
  • Burnout Self-Assessment Checklist: Learn how to identify burnout early and take proactive steps to prevent it.
  • Daily Ritual Builder: Craft personalized routines to maintain your energy and focus throughout the day.
  • The Uncommon Protocol: Follow a structured framework to guide you through significant life changes and achieve your personal summit.

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Joshua Hamilton: Welcome to the uncommon man podcast where we help me in shift their mindset brush burnout and become the best fathers husbands and leaders. They can be via our programs and coaching on this podcast. You will find out why traditional and common approaches don't go after the real problems when it comes to burnout when it comes to relationships when it comes to health and Building Wealth. We will walk you through examples tools and skills that you can develop and resources that we can give you that will help you build a better life in your health and relationships.

Joshua Hamilton: Join us for more Uncommon conversations dive into the podcast join us in our community and become an uncommon, man.

Nick Vonpitt: *** around here to that stuff. But you can just dive into the f** podcast. You can introduce it to your usual thing.

Joshua Hamilton: All right.

Nick Vonpitt: And it's good. guys.

Joshua Hamilton: That I mean we are going to talk about burnout. How do you eliminate it? If you already have it? What are the common traits or common things that we use that don't work and why burnout is such a absolute bastard when it comes to stopping us getting the things that we want and living and uncommon life. We're gonna walk you through some tools and some skills that you can develop in order to avoid burnout eliminate…

Nick Vonpitt: So the definition that I understand burnout as is its characterized by a state of chronic stress that leads to physical and…

Joshua Hamilton: if you already have it and understand what are the warning signs that are saying to you and alerting you saying? Hey this s***'s gonna happen to you or you're already in it right now and…

Nick Vonpitt: emotional exhaustion. Some form of cynicism even Detachment and…

Joshua Hamilton: why some of the approaches that you possibly already doing or being showing don't actually work.

Nick Vonpitt: it's just you have this general feeling of just feeling really ineffective.

Joshua Hamilton: So today enjoy the conversation guys at the end always we will give you all the tools and…

Nick Vonpitt: And you always have this sense of like you you're not accomplishing anything.

Joshua Hamilton: all the skills that you can use to eliminate burnout from your life or…

Nick Vonpitt: So whatever you're doing, you just don't feel accomplished and I actually wrote this down that this is a conversation.

Joshua Hamilton: avoid entirely So let's repent.

Nick Vonpitt: I had probably two weeks ago with one of my clients and there are three common components that tend to arise within Bernard one being emotional exhaustion,…

Joshua Hamilton: Nick What is burnout? what is it to you? What have you seen in your clients that sort of says that this is approaching or…

Nick Vonpitt: which is feeling drained fatigued unable to cope just generally tired lacking energy.

Joshua Hamilton: you're in the depth of it now.

Nick Vonpitt: The next one would be depersonalization. So this is you developing a cynical attitude towards work towards the people around you and just feeling very detached and isolated and the last one which affects a lot of our high performing men in our community is just this decreased sense of accomplishment. So this overall feeling of I mean effective I'm unable to be productive and just the sense.

Nick Vonpitt: Your efforts on actually moving the needle and making a difference with whatever Endeavor your busy progressing with.

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Nick Vonpitt: And I think that ties into that deep personalization. You're so detached from everything. Nothing has feeling or meaning. Because you're so isolated from it. It's like this glass wall that you observing your life from. Because It's just like that's happening. But you're not there to actually experience it.

Joshua Hamilton: I think yeah, you've hit a lot of nails on the head there. Add one thing have you noticed in your clients that are heading towards burnout or in That I've lost. Joy for the things that used to bring them Joy.

Joshua Hamilton: Yeah.

Joshua Hamilton: And what about you What have you experienced in your own life and in your coaching career with your clients?

Harry Orr: So the way that I've experienced it is it first you're putting the same amount of effort in but you're getting less out both from a term terms of results and also as you just mentioned in terms of Joy it starts to feel a lot more mechanical you're going through the motions and then most of our high performers would resonate with this is I'm getting less out. So I need to put more in so you burn the candle even harder you get up that little bit early you stop that little bit later. You take more caffeine stimulants pre-workout all that kind of stuff and then if you're in the gym, I' part of it's having extra super pre workout. I don't have an extra coffee whatever it is. And don't be a b**** and take a day off just lift even harder and so you start to notice your performance starts to go down and then you're more likely to get injured. That's where a lot of people end up with strains and strains and stuff like that because they're so tight. They're trying to push for more than they can. I guess really achieve at that point.

Harry Orr: And you get to that point where either you take a break because you figure out what's happening or your body forces you to take a break in the form of injury or some other form of Health breakdown and you get forced to taking some time off.

Joshua Hamilton: Yeah, I think one of the key things you've mentioned there and the things that I see is one of the warning signs when I'm coaching somebody they're like, maybe I need to change my morning routine. maybe remember I need to change this. Maybe I'm hang on all of the stuff has been working. so far, why is it suddenly that you need to change this? And it's this thing of luck. I need to work harder. I need to become more efficient. I need to put more stuff in like it's not working like it used to you or it's not getting to where I want fast enough and I'm like, okay make that that to me is the Flint before the spark of the burnout that it really kicks off.

Harry Orr: I think a lot of people then also go that next step and say I just need more time. it's not because you need more time. It's because you're being less effective with your time. So you think you need more time, but you just need to be more effective with your time. I know my old trait whenever I had a lot of my plate would have more stimulants and…

Nick Vonpitt: All So I'm gonna break this into two areas just so guys can really understand this.

Harry Orr: just get it done. I'd sacrifice sleep to Get s*** done instead of looking at well,…

Nick Vonpitt: So just giving you the general symptoms that …

Harry Orr: how do I be more effective in the other hours of my day so that I don't have to compromise.

Nick Vonpitt: the scene is a common sign of burnout.

Harry Orr: The one thing that actually allows me to sustain those level of efforts both physical mental emotion,…

Nick Vonpitt: So insomnia, Overall chronic fatigue forgetfulness difficulty in concentrating increased illness loss of appetite anxiety depression angion,…

Harry Orr: all that stuff and then end up cooking yourself even more.

Nick Vonpitt: irritability reduced performance and productivity. So that's your normal symptoms of burnout that just to bring this into the context of your life. He has a couple of questions where you can actually self-assess as well. So yes a checklist that you can run through and go through this as I'm busy asking the question. So do you feel tired and…

Joshua Hamilton: And I hope the guys listing a kind of figuring out like these are the symptoms.

Nick Vonpitt: drained most of the time?

Nick Vonpitt: Do you find it hard to concentrate?

Joshua Hamilton: These are the things that are showing up for you that are giving you a good indication of you're either in Burnout right now or…

Nick Vonpitt: Are you experiencing physical symptoms such as headaches or stomach issues.

Joshua Hamilton: you're heading towards it from your point of view and…

Nick Vonpitt: Do you feel detached or…

Joshua Hamilton: to help people get clarity Nick.

Nick Vonpitt: alone in the world? Are you using food drugs stimulants or…

Joshua Hamilton: Can you give some ideas of how does Burnout show up in terms of its impact in your life?

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Nick Vonpitt: alcohol to feel better or to simply do you feel ineffective and…

Joshua Hamilton: Whether that be in your health whether that be in your wealth whether that's in your relationship. How does that impact it?

Nick Vonpitt: you're not achieving anything?

Joshua Hamilton: What does it showing up

Nick Vonpitt: If you said yes to any of that and if you say admit yes to more than let's say two or three of those symptoms then I'd say you in the bracket of burnout and it's worthwhile, starting to look at some of the strategies that you are using Harry mentioned and seeing what's ineffective and what actually isn't serving me at this moment in time.

Nick Vonpitt: The first thing that comes up honestly is apathy and guys are just really apathetic they unable to show up. there's always this underlying lack of presence. In their lives and they don't know what it is because on paper you're ticking all the boxes all the time. You're doing everything in the great father. You are, still making time for the missus you are showing up in your business. You're waking up early. You've got a morning routine. you've got all these things but do I still feel why am I unable to bridge this Gap and I think that once you've maybe given this a label and you're like, wow, this sounds like me, and I'm not one for labels,…

Joshua Hamilton: Okay, I guess for a lot of us and…

Nick Vonpitt: but in this case just for context. once you've got that label and…

Joshua Hamilton: I've been there as well sometimes I need a really good poker like a hot stick to make me move and…

Nick Vonpitt: you can say this

Nick Vonpitt: This is what I'm experiencing.

Joshua Hamilton: that comes in the form of the impact that's going on in my life.

Nick Vonpitt: I find that. In conversation most these guys like …

Joshua Hamilton: How is the things that are showing up whether it's my relationship whether it's my health?

Nick Vonpitt: okay So this is what I'm experiencing now,…

Nick Vonpitt: what do I do about it? And Bernard is a process.

Joshua Hamilton: For the guys that you've been coaching and…

Joshua Hamilton: maybe some experiences yourself,…

Nick Vonpitt: When you're busy healing it and…

Joshua Hamilton: what have been the impacts that you've seen from burnout.

Nick Vonpitt: you're navigating it and you're changing your strategies your entire neurology or your neurobiological system has to make a shift because this is You're a nervous system level. And this takes time. And it's kind of like you're so accustomed to a certain level of productivity that anything less than that doesn't feel like work you're so stuck in that pattern that feels like you're normal. So if you're not doing normal, then something is wrong.

Nick Vonpitt: And then you look for something to create that level of stress and angst in your system again. it's normal. So then you'll find that when you are busy helping people navigate that they anxiety starts to rise as well whilst in the process because the system is trying to recalibrate back to what it knows so starts to Future Pace all the time. and it's such a subtle game, but it's a whole process of deconditioning. From just realizing that you're not present.

Nick Vonpitt: You're not being productive because you're just heightened all the time, and you have never learned how to come down to a normal state.

Harry Orr: I think it used to be coin.

Joshua Hamilton: that idea of deconditioning,…

Harry Orr: Does that hustle culture or…

Joshua Hamilton: right and Harry I'd like you insights into Kind of…

Harry Orr: that grind mentality like that high emphasis on work ethic right and…

Joshua Hamilton: what is in society? what is it that we do or…

Harry Orr: trying to work hard outwork I…

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Joshua Hamilton: has become normal that conditions us to live this life towards burnout.

Harry Orr: In terms of hours is where I think a lot of people go and…

Joshua Hamilton: What do you see is this acceptance or…

Harry Orr: definitely I used to be in this boat. So I'm not talking about this from some higher place,…

Joshua Hamilton: even badges that people wear that lead us down this path?

Harry Orr: So in terms of you try to work people in terms of hours and input But then when you look at people that get the most output, they try to put the least in to get the most out.

Harry Orr: And so by focusing on how much can I put in working longer hours grinding as much as possible working yourself to the Bone and I definitely used to be in that place where I didn't have any regard for sleep. I would wake up same time every day. Didn't matter what time I went to sleep didn't matter how I went to how I slept at all how I felt doublescope a pre-workout straight to the gym train for two hours then go about my 10 12 hour work day in the kitchens stuff like that. And no wonder I was having seizures every couple of months, right and So eventually you get to a point where you can't keep doing that and having that I guess that experience maybe that level of knowledge maturity that guidance to say.

Harry Orr: Being able to maintain that level of output you need to put something back in terms of putting something back into your recovery. if you want to have high levels of output awesome, but you need to have enough going back in in terms of the right nutrition in terms of managing your mental health in terms of your sleep in terms of your nervous system or good stuff so that you can sustain those high levels of output because you can't keep taking without putting back something back in eventually, you will die or develop a drug addiction or something else in terms of trying to maintain that but you just won't be able to because you're performance will go down down despite you putting all those hours in and so if you can start to measure your out like your

Harry Orr: results rather than the effort you put in. I think it can help people to then take a smarter. Look at what's actually improving their performance and what they're getting out as opposed to Sheely focusing on how can I put more hours and energy into this? And just burning themselves out.

Nick Vonpitt: All right.

Joshua Hamilton: It's so classic and I've been caught up in that deck measuring competition of why did Harry hours this week? You only did 70 you got the big title of CEO. So you must be hard working. You must always be working lots. And I even find it interesting today where somebody will say, How's it going? And there's still this unconscious thing that wants to say us busy. working hard and consciously I really want to wear the badge of sweet. Yeah, I barely working hours. I get massive results. My clients are super happy. life is* awesome. And I just hear this unconscious projection that this person is judging me because I'm not busy and I'm not working as many houses and then it's good enough as a man because I'm not hitting the hourly Mark anymore and I'm like

Joshua Hamilton: how conditioned is that from my childhood or wherever it's come from society and at a really awesome client a builder actually and one of the things that he inherited from his father was like being a hard worker is where you are valued as a man and so he works his ass off. And I asked him one day I said, okay cool. Would you rather be knowing as the Builder who grinds and works really hard? Would you be rather known as the Builder who does an excellent job and…

Harry Orr: Or another way you can look at that…

Joshua Hamilton: finishes things off …

Harry Orr: which I think will humble some people is…

Joshua Hamilton: and just goes If I could way rather be known as the Builder…

Harry Orr: if that's the way where you hold your pride of having to work that hours like a flip on that would be …

Joshua Hamilton: who does a great job and finishes things off really? I'd be known as that guy…

Harry Orr: you must be very ineffective…

Joshua Hamilton: who just has the finishing touch the Midas touch.

Harry Orr: if it takes you that long, And you're like,…

Joshua Hamilton: Rather than the guy who's like? yeah,…

Harry Orr: I didn't look at it.

Joshua Hamilton: he's always there.

Harry Orr: That way. I thought hours was related to …

Joshua Hamilton: He's the hours upon us.

Harry Orr: growth and…

Joshua Hamilton: He's the last one to leave.

Harry Orr: how hot I am, but if it's related,…

Joshua Hamilton: He's such a hard worker.

Harry Orr: it's like ineffectiveness,…

Harry Orr: that job should take you an hour. Why is it taking you a Oh.

Joshua Hamilton: But it really really hard to deprogram that really really hard to decondition it.

Joshua Hamilton: Okay, that's a f* burn. I

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Joshua Hamilton: I want to touch on something that is one of my current beliefs around burnout and where it comes from and I'm really interested on you guys take for this. and I look at people who achieve great things and a lot of them I use the push and pull analogy. So you look at athletes at the top of the game and that, the winning still when they're doing all the things but for some reason they still feel unhappy and they're being pushed there because I need to be better for my dad. I want recognition. I want this because something is not enough in them. And then there's not everybody who gets pushed experiences burnout, but I believe everybody who's experiencing burnout suffers with an element of self-worth. And burning out doesn't just have a business It happens to employees. It happens to a lot of people and what I

Joshua Hamilton: I'm saying is the whole I'm I'm not worthy. So I've got to prove myself so I need to work more.

Harry Orr: For sure that whole nice guy syndrome of…

Joshua Hamilton: I need to produce more for my boss…

Harry Orr: if I provide this amount of money for my family.

Joshua Hamilton: I look up to my dad who doesn't think I'm worthy enough yet.

Harry Orr: If I do this good job at work.

Joshua Hamilton: And so we have this internal system or…

Harry Orr: If I do this thing then some will love me value me whatever else it is.

Joshua Hamilton: call wound call it of not being enough.

Harry Orr: And there's that attachment.

Joshua Hamilton: So we could pushes that whole idea of work harder when I didn't even think about…

Harry Orr: To that outcome as opposed to people just being able to like me for maybe…

Joshua Hamilton: how an efficient on being what you guys opinion on that being connected to self worth.

Harry Orr: who I am as opposed to the job. I do or what I provide for people.

Nick Vonpitt: I think you hit the nail in the head there,…

Harry Orr: so a question I used I ask a few of my guys that kind of are in that position…

Nick Vonpitt: but I'd also add in the whole mechanic of people pleasing.

Harry Orr: where they don't really know…

Harry Orr: if the relationships in their life not just romantic…

Nick Vonpitt: Because most of these people that are experiencing this they're looking to be validated and…

Harry Orr: but in terms of friendships and things like that ones that serve them the question I asked them is do you think that they love you for…

Nick Vonpitt: affirmed by everyone else around them all the time.

Harry Orr: who you are or…

Nick Vonpitt: And yes it ties into you that whole success strategy that they have or…

Harry Orr: for what you do for them? Because if someone just likes you for…

Nick Vonpitt: sense of achievement or…

Harry Orr: what you do for them because you're a convenience in their life…

Nick Vonpitt: sense of value. So they living from in versus the inside out.

Harry Orr: because you provide something whether it's just a drinking buddy,…

Harry Orr: or you're the guy that brings the trailer when you go camping or…

Nick Vonpitt: and

Nick Vonpitt: It is a scary place to be in…

Harry Orr: whatever it is. Then maybe that friendship isn't one to take you…

Nick Vonpitt: because you're unable to say no because you're don't have boundaries…

Harry Orr: where you want to go in life,…

Nick Vonpitt: because you don't see yourself as someone…

Harry Orr: right? That's one perspective.

Nick Vonpitt: who is, valuable enough to actually set a president a standard and a boundary and say look like I can't do that. I'm not gonna work over time today or I've done a self-assessment on myself in this moment and the work that I'm going to do like you said Harry is going to be ineffective. Is it going to help me to show up with a one out of 10 and get this done and take five hours or if I rest and go do something else and…

Joshua Hamilton: So it's not a good one to look at…

Nick Vonpitt: fill up my cup and restore and do something that inspires me and…

Joshua Hamilton: but a hard one to look at. What are your thoughts on it, Nick?

Nick Vonpitt: excites me come back to this a few hours later or tomorrow.

Nick Vonpitt: The world isn't going to end and I'd probably do a way more effective job because I've given myself that little bit of reprieve. And the only person I was pleasing there was me. Not anyone else. Because I think there's also this dire consequence that's built in like you said if there's trauma involved in conditioning the world feels like it's going to end if you don't get done with that thing. And this is what makes high performers and people that achieve these Heights they have something broken in them. It is broken. I battle with this every single day I have to sit all these little boundaries for myself. There's a list in my office that I look at. It's like you can take a break now. Why should I take a break?

Nick Vonpitt: You're allowed to do that.

Nick Vonpitt: partly

Nick Vonpitt: Yes.

Nick Vonpitt: Then the question becomes bigger because then it's am I just living out this f** to-do list and…

Harry Orr: 

Nick Vonpitt: ideal identity all the time to please Society in this Frame that I've created of myself I have because then I have it perfectionism. I have to be perfect.

Harry Orr: But it's also guys connections that we all have with those habits as well.

Nick Vonpitt: I can't drop the ball. and I think speaking as a person that facilitates these conversations with other people you feel like…

Harry Orr: It's not just with being hard working. But as a or…

Nick Vonpitt: if I drop the ball…

Harry Orr: if I take a day off then if I don't go to the gym that's gonna make me fat.

Nick Vonpitt: if I give myself a moment, then I'm not going to be at my best when I show up in these conversations.

Harry Orr: This makes me lazy. If I don't do this then that makes me that type of person and…

Nick Vonpitt: How can I tell that person to show up and…

Harry Orr: I'm doing my utmost to not be that person.

Nick Vonpitt: do that…

Harry Orr: And so even…

Nick Vonpitt: if I haven't done that if I took a break…

Harry Orr: though it's a day even…

Nick Vonpitt: if I

Harry Orr: though it might be the best thing for us at that point.

Nick Vonpitt: Did this and…

Harry Orr: We have that connection of our that makes me lazy that makes me unsuccessful that makes me whatever other negative label with associated with it, too.

Nick Vonpitt: and then it's imposter syndrome? So everything can start dancing from perfectionism to people pleaseing into imposter syndrome and it's a beautiful cycle that all of us experience in some way shape or form. But the difference is how do you facilitate that internal dialogue? And that's with the self-awareness comes in and the practice and the compassion. with yourself

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Harry Orr: Yeah.

Harry Orr: Yeah.

Joshua Hamilton: And this is where I want to give the guy something that I can be this is me to a tea. about What do I need to understand? How do I start making this shifts? And I think not sort of blowing smoke up our own answers here, but we do a really really good job of this over the uncommon. We do an amazing job of helping guys through this process and I think one of the things or the reasons, why is we have a unique mechanism for it that just seems to What's One that's very very simple. It's smart. It's effective. And it's against the common approach to how most of society does it. So I guess from a more scientific approach or understanding Harry. Could you give

Joshua Hamilton: The guys listening and understanding of what's going on Maybe from a mobile logical point of view. But also what they can do to help this to eliminate it to avoid it. What is the starting place?

Harry Orr: So if you're looking at symptoms and stuff, I guess what's happening when you start to experience this stuff. you're nervous system is getting fried. You' I guess cortisol is I guess Staying High for so long if you're stress, which is going to cause over time a decrease in your testosterone, which is then they're gonna have all those symptoms that we have with low test in terms of Higher susceptibility by sorry lower threshold to stress. So you experience high amounts of stress from smaller amounts of stress. you under recover. You don't have that drive Vigor that energy for life or sex for challenge for any of those stuff that we do when we have higher amounts of testosterone. So it creates all those kind of issues when you're looking at if you a good way to actually test how well you're nervous system is primed really is when you wake up in the morning, if you go to the gym the good thing to do is go straight to the rig like the squat rack and do a dead hang.

Harry Orr: If you can hang we've all had those moments where we've tried to do a chin up or a deadlift first thing and then some days you'll feel strong as your grip stanky. I can hold this for days. I could hold anything bear grip. No worries other days, you'll lift up same weight and you're f*** I can barely hold on. My fingers are uncurling after a few seconds.

Harry Orr: If you do that dead hang and you've got that grip strength and you feel like you can hang there for ages that is a good sign that you're nervous system is well recovered because you're able to send strong signals from your brain through your system to your outer limbs to contract your muscles effectively. If you have a weak grip strength and you can't hold on to the bar for very long and it feels noticeably weaker. You don't have a very good signal in sending that ability to contract your mode and…

Nick Vonpitt: I think if you've got to be understanding of your nervous system, it'll be easier for you to maybe look and…

Harry Orr: you're ons so you're nervous system is not very well recovered.

Nick Vonpitt: if you in fight flight freeze foreign response.

Harry Orr: That's a good practical way of assessing how well your nervous system is recovered.

Nick Vonpitt: Just see where you're sitting within those spaces and…

Harry Orr: If you don't have or rings group straps and…

Nick Vonpitt: sometimes it's a hybrid response.

Harry Orr: like that. So then based on that feedback you can…

Nick Vonpitt: You're in the freeze foreign response.

Harry Orr: then decide…

Nick Vonpitt: You can just go and…

Harry Orr: how heavy you lift in your session.

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Nick Vonpitt: look that up on Google even Pinterest and…

Harry Orr: But then also for the rest of your day how much time you spend hustling and…

Nick Vonpitt: just look at the different, symptoms of being in those different responses,…

Harry Orr: grinding and going hard versus maybe finding a little bit more time to give back to yourself.

Nick Vonpitt: but from a subconscious level.

Harry Orr: Maybe have a nap or…

Harry Orr: some nsdr put a bit more emphasis on Rejuvenation on getting your sleep fixed and…

Nick Vonpitt: If we go back to the whole idea of people pleasing you're seeking validation.

Joshua Hamilton: Does make sense and…

Harry Orr: things like that so that you can actually start to correct that so that you can perform.

Joshua Hamilton: I guess it's such a key point of…

Nick Vonpitt: For what you're doing. imagine that you're a kid.

Joshua Hamilton: what we use with our guys with the pyramid performance like that dives into giving an idea of called that is at the base get that nervous system folks and…

Harry Orr: And get that output back up and…

Nick Vonpitt: Mom and Dad's there And I'll give you an example my child just bought me his spelling test that he got full marks for he's really part of it.

Harry Orr: fix yourself rather than just keep grinding yourself into the dirt. That makes sense.

Joshua Hamilton: understanding whether it's jacked or not. From an unconscious almost trauma point of view.

Nick Vonpitt: And in that case, he didn't bring it to me to say …

Joshua Hamilton: What are some of the things that guys might want to be working on that might have a deeper level of awareness.

Nick Vonpitt: please validate me. You just dropped off it is and the vast difference between me saying I'm proud of you for doing that versus I'm proud of myself for doing this and…

Joshua Hamilton: So they're cool. I've kind of aware of my nervous system, but I'm still not quite getting to where I want fast enough or I'm not saying the results that…

Nick Vonpitt: yeah, I'm just going to show…

Joshua Hamilton: what are some of the plays that are happening on and…

Nick Vonpitt: what I've done for myself. That's the key mechanic that you need to start looking at.

Joshua Hamilton: on them in the unconscious and some of the things that they can do about it.

Nick Vonpitt: Are you proud of yourself for having done X Y and Z or are you seeking someone else to say I'm proud of you? And start looking at that like you finished your work. Do you want someone to see or do you compare yourself to someone else all the time or is I'm really proud of myself for having put so much care focus and intention into what I've been doing be it on my body working in my business working on my relationships spending time with my kids.

Nick Vonpitt: that could be a really good practice. is this for them? And then how do you flip that back to me? The next thing which is very simple, but it's probably going to be the hardest practice here is learn to say no. if you're not feeling Capable if you feel that you're at your threshold. If you do not have energy let's say you've done the test like Harry just mentioned you hung there. You're feeling like a two out of 10, maybe instead of doing the hour and a half workout. You had planned stretch recuperate go do some nsdr. But then also when someone says hey, can we work late or let me go grab a beer? Let me go do that. You know what guys not gonna work today?

Joshua Hamilton: I love that. Yeah, it's cool. Is there any other key factors you guys think would be helpful for our guys that you want to share?

Harry Orr: One thing I'd like to add and then this is from my personal experience recently. So as you guys know I started doing face group coaching at the yard recently. So I've managed to pull another 27 hours of work out of my ass, which I didn't really have right but, getting up order to fall five mornings a week now and coaching that face to face most days, especially when I ride to the gym, I'm clocking up over 20 30,000 steps. So there's a whole lot more activity in what I'm doing on top of everything else and I think one thing that can also be helpful in you guys checking yourself in this burnout phase or the preventing it as well is also knowing your values as well. So for me health is my number one value not only do I get to do more of that based on the extra steps the writing to work doing all that kind of stuff. I also get to be in a gym help other people work on their health and doing

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Harry Orr: Kind of stuff. and also the coaching element. They're helping other people be their best for that good stuff that's very aligned with myself and what I want to do and so when you are in alignment with your values with your purpose and all that kind of stuff, I firmly believe can you have a much higher threshold to burn out too fatigue because Call it whatever you want.

Joshua Hamilton: Yeah, I think you've absolutely now that and…

Harry Orr: Maybe you've got a great emission. You've got whatever else it is. But if you're misaligned with those values like you're doing something that compromises those.

Joshua Hamilton: that was the piece that I talked about push versus pull. You have a very very strong pull and…

Harry Orr: I believe that you will burn out a hell of a lot faster. so

Joshua Hamilton: Seldom to people make it to the top with the pool, but the people who do make it to the top with the pool. Have a satisfaction like no other they get there and it's amazing it feels fantastic rather than the people who get there with a push they get there and I completely unsatiated. And they live that life that cycle of more but it doesn't make me feel a bit more but it doesn't like what is this thing that I get to and I think one of the most important pieces is a puzzle when we talk to our guys in the very first thing we do with all our guys. It's find that pool. We call that the summit and finding those values so many guys don't have strict values on what happiness means

Joshua Hamilton: And so the pool is impossible to find for them. So they are pushed through their entire life and they wonder why they can never achieve the great things or they wonder why there isn't the joy in their life anymore. you're experiencing now. It's like working 70 hours a week for something that you absolutely f****** love does not feel like Work as the saying goes do something you love and you'll never work a day in your life.

Joshua Hamilton: I challenge those people who might say, you can't do something in love and make money from it. I'm like is someone right here to disprove that right now?

Harry Orr: Even to your earlier point in terms of people-pleasing…

Joshua Hamilton: Yeah, yeah.

Harry Orr: if you've been pushed your whole life doing things that maybe don't align with you or that you don't want to do that's because you haven't set boundaries as to what you haven't made up your mind what you do want to do. Okay, so making up your mind setting in some boundaries and figuring out what you do want to do in life could maybe help you realign with yourself so that you don't have to do crazy hours.

Joshua Hamilton: I love it.

Harry Orr: But whatever you are doing feels more enjoyable and you don't push yourself into that burnout phase.

Joshua Hamilton: Okay those guys listening. I hope this has been really helpful for Nick and Thanks so much for coming on and sharing your knowledge and your time for those guys who want to dive into things and actually have a step process that pulls them through these scenarios put some in a position where they can reach this Summit. We have something called The Uncommon protocol So it's literally a coffee a day. That's the price that we made it for guys. So they can get some accountability. They can get the exact process and steps that walks in through So consolidates are all into one nice easy place you want that come join our community you can build on it. You can develop trust you can see what's going on. And for those guys that want to get to this so much faster. We have one-on-one coaching. Yes, it's limited spaces and it's just for those guys who want to absolutely Rapido there. They're progressions toward this summons, but it's there.

Harry Orr: nailed it