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EP10: Testosterone Unleashed: The Truth About Boosting Your Vitality

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Welcome to another episode of The Uncommon Man Project. Today, we're tackling an issue many men face but few talk about openly: the struggle with low testosterone and its impact on daily life. If you've been finding it hard to get out of bed, struggling with stress, anxiety, and low motivation, or noticing a drop in your sex drive and overall vitality, this episode is for you.

Join us as we sit down with Harry Orr, a man who has seen profound results from both natural and chemical testosterone optimization. They dive deep into what stands behind low testosterone levels, explore the safe and effective ways to boost it, and discuss whether injectable testosterone is everything it's cracked up to be. Harry shares his journey, from competing in body sculpting competitions to becoming a fitness coach, and how testosterone has impacted not just his physical performance but his overall quality of life.

By the end of this episode, you'll have a clear understanding of the different options available for testosterone optimization and a practical process to start seeing results. Joshua and Harry also discuss the broader implications of testosterone on mental health, endurance, and the desire to take on challenges, giving you the tools to reclaim the energy and drive of your younger self.

Key Questions for Listeners:

  1. Have you ever had your testosterone levels checked? If not, what’s holding you back from doing so?
  2. What lifestyle changes can you implement today to start optimizing your testosterone levels naturally?
  3. How do you handle stress and anxiety currently, and how might these methods improve with better testosterone management?

For those looking to dive deeper, Harry and the team have designed a seven-day nervous system reset program to help you build resilience against stress and naturally increase your testosterone levels. The link to join this free program is in the description below.

Join us as we unravel the myths and realities of testosterone and help you step into the best version of yourself.

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Joshua Hamilton: Welcome to another uncommon man podcast now today guys if you ever struggle out of getting bed.

Joshua Hamilton: Struggle with stress anxiety low drive low motivation. You don't wake up with morning wood anymore or maybe even worse six tribes kind of dropped off the planet and it just feels like it's Groundhog Day like you're going to work you're not really excited about it. And you just feel like what happened to that version of me when I was in my late teens early 20s, and I just had this passion and drive for life. We're going to show you how you can solve that and what it is that stands behind that and many of you guys may have seen stuff around this topic before and wondering how you might be able to do it safely whether it's good for you whether it's the right time and all the different options and questions. We're gonna answer those questions today. And then at the end we're gonna give you a process that you can use to actually get the results that we're actually gonna talk to Harry about today because he is one of the guys that probably experience some of the most profound results from a natural and a chemical base. So Harry Nick great.

Joshua Hamilton: If you guys back here today can't wait for this. I'm actually really excited because this is a really big effect on my life as well and Harry and I have gone deep into this and how it's kind of impacted. Are my sexual performance but also my endurance performance as well? So Harry propagate today mate testosterone and we all talk about this thing. Like it says magic cure to life and it's gonna fix everything if I can just find a way to boost my testosterone an inject this s*** into me.

Harry Orr: I think it's different to what most people expected to be.

Joshua Hamilton: I'm gonna be like an absolute Superman.

Harry Orr: So depending on what someone is experiencing I guess will depend on…

Joshua Hamilton: I'll stay hard for days. My Mrs. Will never get enough of…

Harry Orr: what they think testosterone will do for them.

Joshua Hamilton: I'll be able to lift buildings and…

Harry Orr: I think a lot of people seem to think that testosterone will give you some form of an Adonis body and…

Joshua Hamilton: cars and I'll finally be the man that I wanted to be. first question Is injectable testosterone everything is cracked up to be.

Harry Orr: your turn into this alpha male or something along those lines, but depending on what you want to achieve anything at the end of the day. It is just one compound. It is one if you're taking it like that one supplement. It's not going to do all of that on its own right you can take copious amounts of steroids and not look like Arnie you still got to do a lot of work. You still got to do a lot of other things as well as that it's not just as simple as sticking something in your leg or just taking Supplements or hormones, right?

Joshua Hamilton: I got a couple of questions for you…

Harry Orr: I never actually measured it…

Joshua Hamilton: because I really want to understand your story through this process and…

Harry Orr: but by looking at photos like I'll be say five or…

Joshua Hamilton: more so your thought patterns and…

Harry Orr: six percent Maybe.

Joshua Hamilton: then go into how those results change for you what happened on the journey and all those things. So you're competed at a pretty high level in terms of body sculpting what were you down to some ridiculous level fat? What was your percentage of fat when you're competing?

Harry Orr: Yeah, I was only 20 at that point.

Joshua Hamilton: Yeah, because you're it pretty sure today and…

Harry Orr: So before I touched anything else was 100% natural at that point.

Joshua Hamilton: for those guys who are kind of part of our community we refer to Harry as two things the wizard but we also refer them to as our Adonis. The guy has an absolute stack.

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Harry Orr: Because I wanted something to train for I wanted a level of competition.

Joshua Hamilton: He's got if I had a bit of a man crush it would be Harry…

Harry Orr: So this was just after I had gone into chefing so finish school when it's my shopping apprenticeship as a chef nights means you work weekends.

Joshua Hamilton: but why when you were doing the body sculpting were you Nelly?

Joshua Hamilton: Yeah.

Harry Orr: So 40 sport was out the door and I needed something to fulfill my need and…

Joshua Hamilton: Cool, and why did you decide to go into Body Sculpting?

Harry Orr: my value of health.

Joshua Hamilton: What was the drive?

Harry Orr: So to the GMI went and the gym is great running is great, but towards I wanted a reason to be doing this other than just doing the same kind of thing day in day out week and week out and so spoke to a mate who owned a supplement store who also did a lot of prep for people spoke to him about it. And then he kind of convinced me to do a body count Fitness. I was like, yeah, let's give it a go.

Harry Orr: When I started prepping for the competition, it didn't really change much like the two things that changed.

Joshua Hamilton: So in I guess …

Joshua Hamilton: what was lifestyle like there…

Harry Orr: Were I started eating?

Joshua Hamilton: because it…

Joshua Hamilton: if you're working as a chef you're working nights. And I'll be honest all the shifts that I know into a little bit more of a Contraband and…

Harry Orr: more I don't want to say processed food…

Harry Orr: but more carbs and more sugars because I was of the opinion that cards are bad other than my own so I wouldn't touch carbs and…

Joshua Hamilton: things like that. What was your lifestyle like at the time?

Harry Orr: I wouldn't touch anything like that. But was my coach at the time if it fits in macros flexible dieting type of approach. So that was new for me thinking this you could eat that stuff and Get leaner and prep for a calm. So that was a bit of a shift. And then I also reduce the amount of cardio that I was doing. So it felt counterintuitive what the changes but trusted him trusted the process and that's what I went with in terms of the lifestyle was still working and as an apprentice you work. I don't know 70 80 hours a week if you work mostly doubles. So you'll start at 10 finish it nine or ten with the break in between so my usual day would be likely enough. I was working.

Harry Orr: At a restaurant on the beach. So I get to work two hours early. I go for a run up and down the boulevard go for swimming the ocean work the first shift go to the gym in my break come back work the night shift and then go home and then that was five days of the week.

Harry Orr: No, no, I didn't. easy on how much easier

Nick Vonpitt: I think probably the big question that I have is know when you're considering, getting on to test…

Joshua Hamilton: Did you have a relationship at the time?

Nick Vonpitt: What is the weighing up that happens in the mind…

Joshua Hamilton: Perhaps bonus bonus a lot.

Nick Vonpitt: because you're sitting there?

Joshua Hamilton: Okay. Nick…

Nick Vonpitt: You're a young man. You understand that there's gonna be this massive,…

Joshua Hamilton: if you got anything that you want to check to about in that space

Nick Vonpitt: benefit in how your physique shifts but there's obviously also a lot of drawbacks recently and I pretty sure back then you were still aware there are people in their 40s and 50s who actually supplementing with the stuff. So just what was happening in that World Wind of chaos because I think a lot of guys are a little bit apprehensive in wanting to bring something like this into their system and they're just stick it out and I guess we'll figure it out and we get there and then at a later stage there may be feel like they should have acted on it earlier or maybe they overdo it. Yeah. Just what did it look like in that space for you?

Harry Orr: So I've kind of gone through. different phases of my opinion of using testosterone and then other compounds as well. And so, back then when I was competing when everything was Health, that was my life. I was of the opinion that if you use steroids that you're a fake that it's the worst thing that you can do that that almost disqualifies any results that you get or any achievements that you have because it was fake. It was unnatural it doesn't count right so I had a very strong opinion of that. And so as I kind of got all I got exposed to more ways of thinking then. It kind of changed a little bit to Will.

Harry Orr: Why does it matter how you achieve it? as long as you're not trying to compete in a sport that is tested and you're not breaking rules. You're not doing anything like that. if it's just for physique reasons and stuff like that. Why does it matter?

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Harry Orr: Right so becomes more about a personal opinion and then weighing up. What are the cons and things like that? And so when I was considering it, I had thought well and hard I feel like I've got to the point of I've optimized everything that naturally I'm pretty confident that my diet has spot on I'm pretty confident that I'm training to the right intensity. my nervous system My sleep is sweet. I'm looking after all these things and naturally. To get through the physique that I have in my head that I want to achieve well. That's going to take a decade.

Harry Orr: Because naturally for an experience lifter, you're putting on what 500 grams to a kilo of lean muscle a year. So, it takes a long time for you to get substantially bigger. And so I was kind of thinking do I really want to wait that long? what are the then drawbacks of using things like testosterone and other factors and so ended up just wanting to try it cool. Let's see what it does did my blood work at the start during and…

Nick Vonpitt: Just for the listeners out there…

Harry Orr: then afterwards had a proper protocol.

Nick Vonpitt: what are the pros and…

Harry Orr: I wasn't just kind of winging it and going by Bro Science.

Nick Vonpitt: cons specifically and…

Harry Orr: I had someone That had done.

Nick Vonpitt: and possibly is there a difference from let's say…

Harry Orr: It had experience had a lot more knowledge than me that was guiding me on that to suggest…

Nick Vonpitt: if you're taking it in your early 20s 30s 40s 50s there may be a change in age that does affect maybe the amount whatever the case is someone that's completely naive in the space.

Harry Orr: how to go about it how to do it best and then Experimented with that.

Nick Vonpitt: How would you may be advised or just explain to them? this is what you can expect this is, the typical standard protocol

Harry Orr: I think It ultimately depends on what you want to get out of it right because depending on where you're at in life and what you want to achieve and what you're also willing to accept as consequences or side effects will then depend on kind of your protocol. So I think it's worth differentiating when we talk about testosterone there's a difference between what a lot of people now refer to as hormone optimization therapy, which is just getting your levels to an optimal state which is generally on the high end of natural, right? So for whatever reason if you're completely fried or by biologically, you are not producing enough testosterone to get to that point and you've done all the foundational Health metrics and you're still quite low and you just want something to kind of top you up. Then you're going to need a very small dose for most people.

Harry Orr: That's a very different protocol to someone who's looking to go to super physiological levels and go into just extremes. And so personally, I don't think that many people benefit from going to those levels because

Harry Orr: I don't understand why you would I think most people that want to go to that level are trying to achieve more based results in which case there's other compounds that are going to be a lot better for a lot more effective than testosterone because it's also worth noting that if your natural production of testosterone is something that you're keeping in mind. It's important to you, especially if you're in your younger years,…

Joshua Hamilton: I want to chat on that…

Harry Orr: if you…

Joshua Hamilton: because you mentioned I've done all the things to optimize myself back…

Harry Orr: 40 50 plus and you're taking a small amount to optimize your testosterone and…

Joshua Hamilton: then Looking Back Now and…

Harry Orr: you're planting on being on that for Life cool,…

Joshua Hamilton: with your knowledge would you have said you had optimized everything you could In Body Sculpting days.

Harry Orr: your natural testosterone is going to drop through the floor. It's gonna die anyway, and you're gonna be on that for life so cool. Don't worry about but if you're at a stage where you're not going to be on it for life and you do care about your natural production because maybe you still want to have kids.

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Joshua Hamilton: Go.

Harry Orr: You're not ready to commit to this for life for whatever other reason then Taking crazy amounts of testosterone on its own are the Surefire way to make sure that your body stops producing testosterone. And so knowing what you want to achieve will then determine how much you take what your protocol looks like and going from there, but I think most people don't really even need to jumping on a protocol to begin with until they've maximized everything else. And of course done a blood test to see is that they're limiting factor. Because with my last blood test I realized that hey test isn't my limiting factor right now. It's actually higher than I expected it.

Joshua Hamilton: So because that's something we will touch on at the end to really bring people back in so they can understand what? Natural optimization bends and some of the things that they can do which way easier than we think I want to understand your mindset how far between you doing the comp and…

Harry Orr: Probably not. No I was very much of the year.

Joshua Hamilton: then deciding to go on testosterone. And other compounds it's that I want you to share as well.

Harry Orr: I was highly caffeinated sleep was not a priority and…

Joshua Hamilton: But what was the length of time?

Harry Orr: my vision of my version of Health was a six pack.

Joshua Hamilton: And what was the thought process you had for that?

Harry Orr: And you couldn't tell me otherwise, I didn't give a s*** about mental health. I didn't give a s*** about sleep.

Joshua Hamilton: wow.

Harry Orr: I didn't give a s*** or know anything about the nervous system. It was how lean are you and how fitted you and to me that meant barely eating carbs over caffeinating training twice a day and just doesn't matter how you feel. Get up go to the gym. Shut the f****** and get it done. no it's no but no b*******. So you don't listen to your body. that's for losers. You don't want to do that. And so it's not a great long-term strategy.

Joshua Hamilton: And what did want? Were you f***? I just want to be bigger and I want to do it the most efficient way possible. was Why did you want to?

Joshua Hamilton: 

Harry Orr: it was Five or six years after the physique home. did that? So it wasn't even the same genre of life for me. So I went away finished. My apprenticeship went over to Canada for a year and a half the London for six months came back and then that's when I was initially planning on going back but decided to stay at home and then did my cert three and four in Fitness became a PT and then it was another couple years after that that kind of resurfaced and…

Joshua Hamilton: Okay, I guess that's such an important piece that you're talking about.

Harry Orr: decided to go down that route.

Joshua Hamilton: The leaner's the size thing and you're talking about why you focusing at a young age to put on muscle mass? Why would you change that now? If you go back and you're f*** it,…

Harry Orr: Yeah, it was just size.

Joshua Hamilton: let's get some size on why.

Harry Orr: Like I wanted I had been lean my entire life.

Joshua Hamilton: Why?

Harry Orr: If I could go back then I would have utilized all the benefits that come with youth to put on as much muscle as possible. But my ego and everything was tied to my set of ABS so I couldn't allow myself to put on a couple of kilos in the winter to would go through any form of a bulk or anything like that. And so looking back. I was probably Mountain nourished most of the** time considering I was on my feet all day working around as a chef plus running plus training plus not eating barely enough and…

Joshua Hamilton: okay, and

Harry Orr: not sleeping enough either. So I got to a point…

Joshua Hamilton: Okay, and I guess having that muscle mass this is something I experience and…

Harry Orr: where okay, I don't need to be so lean anymore.

Joshua Hamilton: guys anyone…

Harry Orr: That's not my number one Focus.

Joshua Hamilton: who knows me. I'm not a huge guy. I was 83 to 85 kilos before I race coast and…

Harry Orr: I actually want to put on substantial size right now.

Joshua Hamilton: I was down to 72 after race day. so as soon as I stopped lifting and I wasn't lifting heavy, but I dropped Three to five kilos over probably four months of muscle mass. So what I want to understand is at that young age you build that muscle mass up.

Harry Orr: easier Asia recovery is Asia.

Joshua Hamilton: Is that something that is of health benefits for later on a life…

Harry Orr: Naturally, you've got higher testosterone you can do all these things with a lot more you need a lot less and…

Joshua Hamilton: because you have more muscle mass or does that just naturally disappear anyway, because your body's like f*** I don't need this weight on me anymore.

Harry Orr: also what's worth Emphasizing is my newness to training.

Joshua Hamilton: I'll just start treating it off.

Harry Orr: So you get those newbie gains as well, right? So you combine the Newbie gains being young stacking of hell of a lot of food? you can grow like you wouldn't be able to naturally at any other stage of your life. Right and so looking back. That's what I would have done differently.

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Joshua Hamilton: Yeah.

Joshua Hamilton: All right, and that makes great sense. So because I guess if you're bigger. You've got more muscle mass which takes more to move which means you're going to be more calorie. So it's going to take less to get lean. Is that right?

Harry Orr: It will shred itself off if you don't do anything about it, right if you're not continually using it and this is where a lot of guys put themselves in this position when they're trying to lose they say wait when they should say fat is…

Joshua Hamilton: Okay.

Harry Orr: because if you're not resistance training and you just put yourself in some ridiculous deficit like your body's got two options,…

Joshua Hamilton: Yeah.

Harry Orr: they've got muscle which chews up a hell of a lot of calories and resources versus fat which doesn't do much and so if it's not using the muscle and it needs to lose something it's going to lose the muscle, So you end up being skinny fat, which is not a good place that you want to be. And so if you're not using it you will lose.

Joshua Hamilton: Extinction

Joshua Hamilton: All right, cool. That's one of the interesting facts you mentioned okay if I'm hopping on test. does that completely drop out my natural production does my body just go

Harry Orr: Yeah, so it will take a little bit less to get lean.

Joshua Hamilton: what f*** I don't need to do this anymore because we're getting it externally…

Harry Orr: The muscles don't actually burn. It doesn't I know I definitely used to be in this Camp of …

Joshua Hamilton: what happens there.

Harry Orr: if I increase my muscle mass then my metabolic rate will go up and I'll be able to eat a hell of a lot more and say Lane things like that, but it doesn't increase it much fit every kilo of muscle it goes up not even a hundred calories.

Joshua Hamilton: right And so does that make you infertile for that period of time?

Harry Orr: So it's not a significant amount like a lot of people assume it would be right but what does happen is the longer you stay and I don't have any science to back this up. But this is what I've experienced myself and what I've seen a lot of other people, experience as well is the longest day at a certain level of composition the easier it is to maintain So if you naturally sit at about 10 to 12 percent,…

Joshua Hamilton: Okay, and so if I was to go on test my body's gonna shut down my natural production.

Harry Orr: you can then be a little bit laxed here and…

Joshua Hamilton: How long…

Harry Orr: there and…

Joshua Hamilton: if I decide?

Harry Orr: naturally gravitate back towards that…

Joshua Hamilton: Okay, cool. I want to get off put it this way actually,…

Harry Orr: because of homeostasis. Your body is adapted to being at that level of body composition relatively easy versus someone who's been at 20 most of their life finally gets down to 10 and…

Joshua Hamilton: so I want to get on test to increase into the higher levels of testosterone. If I do that through external hormonal work when I come off that…

Harry Orr: then has a weekend bender and then blows back up,…

Joshua Hamilton: what is my body do will my body go back to my old Natural State?

Harry Orr: So the longer you sit in that space the easier it is for you to maintain that as well.

Joshua Hamilton: All it go. yeah, cool. We enjoy being up here at this new optimal rain shall produce enough testosterone to do that myself now,

Harry Orr: Yeah, we'll test is one of those things where it has a negative feedback loop. So your body recognizes the test is coming in and it says if it's coming in, I don't need to make it sweet so it shuts off the testes…

Joshua Hamilton: okay.

Harry Orr: because you've got that coming in. and so it's a reliant on that.

Joshua Hamilton: So the system doesn't work unlike cool. Let's say I'm at 20 points of testosterone.

Harry Orr: Not entirely infertile, but for a lot of guys that becomes a hell of a lot harder to conceive some guys will still be running tests…

Joshua Hamilton: I want to get to 30. I can't just supplement that 10 because my body will go as soon as I start supplementing with external testosterone.

Harry Orr: stuff like that and still get a woman pregnant. It's not impossible.

Joshua Hamilton: My body will shut off the normal 20 that is making by itself right naturally.

Harry Orr: But for guys that don't have strong swimmers don't have the other factors of healthy sperm and…

Joshua Hamilton: so technically On a real basic mathematical one.

Harry Orr: all that kind of stuff then it can affect that process, too.

Joshua Hamilton: I would need to supplement the entire 30. Points, we're just using a mathematical. am I understanding that right?

Joshua Hamilton: Okay.

Joshua Hamilton: Cool, and I guess one of the things especially when we talk about Sport and testosterone and Sport performance in Hunter drugs and those sorts of things. A race could be a year away.

Harry Orr: I don't think it will ever over produce to get you to that level naturally.

Joshua Hamilton: Two years away, especially when we're looking at things I look at things endurance.

Harry Orr: So if your supplementing say that last 20% for example of testosterone and…

Joshua Hamilton: Why is it's two years to get a really good result in something put it down you consistency over that time…

Harry Orr: then …

Joshua Hamilton: if I decided to do test it's going to help me with my recovery,…

Harry Orr: you wean off or you stop taking it then your body is going to recognize that there's a difference and…

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Joshua Hamilton: Increase recovery like the young guy it's going to make it so I can work harder.

Harry Orr: it's not going to then try and make that difference up itself. Right you later.

Joshua Hamilton: So these are the points about…

Harry Orr: You'll go back to where it was before or…

Joshua Hamilton: what you were saying you can't just take tests…

Harry Orr: some people go lower again,…

Joshua Hamilton: go sit on the couch and be like f*** I'm gonna become the Hulk so I've got to go put in the work,…

Harry Orr: depending on age how long you were taking What dose and…

Joshua Hamilton: but I can work harder.

Harry Orr: all those factors?

Joshua Hamilton: Right and I can recover faster so I can train two or three times a day instead of the ones that's the idea. Is that correct?

Joshua Hamilton: Okay, cool.

Joshua Hamilton: Yeah.

Harry Orr: Potentially at some stage,…

Joshua Hamilton: So that okay.

Harry Orr: but that's not going to happen for a long time.

Joshua Hamilton: So that's my question and I have no idea how they test that…

Harry Orr: It doesn't completely shut off,…

Joshua Hamilton: but is there ways that they can test that no mate for a year ago or…

Harry Orr: but it's going to recognize that it doesn't need to produce that amount as it has that coming in right again,…

Joshua Hamilton: 18. I can run a test hard. Yeah, you may be clean now,…

Harry Orr: depending on the dosage…

Joshua Hamilton: but these rigid or pieces that we can say now that you've been using performance and…

Harry Orr: how long you take it for and also natural variances in person to person

Joshua Hamilton: Hudson you're out.

Harry Orr: Yeah.

Harry Orr: You could put in that kind of effort and I mean, a lot of people have already done that in sports before I know my composition. I know if I stop by this day wein off and then I can do this be clear. I can do all the work up and…

Joshua Hamilton: It's a loser. I just

Harry Orr: deal with this point. Enhanced and then come off and be clean. So just for the car.

Joshua Hamilton: Such a loser situation,…

Harry Orr: .

Joshua Hamilton: but I've been watching last Armstrong's documentary at the moment. I guess when you kind of know that everybody else is doing it it doesn't feel like you're cheating. So maybe the lies okay there but I know being in a sport where I am very confident that so many other people have doing it and…

Harry Orr: to my knowledge you can't Act date that type of thing I know for higher level.

Joshua Hamilton: then go out and win or Worse go out and lose It would break me it was on…

Harry Orr: Athletes and Sport they would have random testing.

Joshua Hamilton: what the f*** if I done with my life. I'm an absolute loser.

Harry Orr: On a year-round that they just kind of rock up mid session.

Joshua Hamilton: But that would be my point of view. Okay, I want to

Harry Orr: Hey, let's go to the bathroom type thing but for everybody else, I don't think they would but if you're doing something consistent enough, yeah other people are gonna know and you're gonna know as I know we had this conversation before it's like you either run yourself on gear and…

Joshua Hamilton: It's like we're talking about when we're with Ryan the bit the biggest compliment you can get is two men.

Harry Orr: then compete in a natural Sport and then you either win.

Joshua Hamilton: You look like you're running gear and that's the best comment you get the worst compliment is when you say yeah,…

Harry Orr: And assume that you don't get caught, that you are cheating.

Joshua Hamilton: I'm running gear and they go. that you don't look like it.

Harry Orr: Congratulations,…

Joshua Hamilton: Devastating.

Harry Orr: bro. you cheated in one or…

Joshua Hamilton: Okay, it's heartbreaking,…

Harry Orr: worst case scenario you cheat and…

Joshua Hamilton: but I'm like we're even in my circle in the endurance sport World a couple of guys like age group guys that quick these guys phenomenal…

Harry Orr: don't even beat the Natty guys How's that gonna help you confidence like you're enhanced and still lost right so I don't see that.

Joshua Hamilton: but we're talking three am training Iron Man that the good dudes and…

Harry Orr: I don't see that being any win in doing that.

Joshua Hamilton: one of the guys is doing that day and some lady gave him s*** was like, it's just because you're bloody running gear and stuff like that and he's just like I'm a f** Sparky. I got into this two or three years ago. I just happened to be back in hard worker and consistency. I'm not it Just cracks me up, but I want to chat about because I know most people talk about the games physically

Joshua Hamilton: You mentioned a whole lot of games you've had mentally and I kind of want you to walk me through what changed for you when you started doing testosterone and what it look like.

Harry Orr: But then there's the other side of that. It's like what if you're just making up excuses for how good they are and how much of a b**** they are and they're actually not using anything and you jump on stuff to try and match the competition and then what

Harry Orr: my heart

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Joshua Hamilton: That's a pretty big selling point. guys are going to be f*** just Where can I get it? hit me now? What has been the downside for What have been the cons?

Harry Orr: so I've heard this term and I Can't think of a better way to describe it and it's literally like you're on God mode. You just walk into every situation not like your s*** doesn't stink…

Joshua Hamilton: Mm-hmm

Harry Orr: but no matter what happens you're going to be. Okay, you don't tolerate b*** you skip the whole procrastination. I don't feel you get up and you do it you just have this desire for Challenge for action and there's a lot less. Sitting around and just talk like it feels like there's this desire to be challenged and if that challenged means you get rejected or it's a undesirable outcome. Awesome I can get better. It's like this pursuit Almost not when they face your fears, that sounds like really corny but to keep pushing and keep taking action regardless of what happens because it's going to be better than where you are now. And so it came with it confidence that. I had an experience before.

Harry Orr: so the reason that I ended up so I haven't taken anything for two and a half years now. So it's been a while. And the reason that I stopped was because it was aging me like a m***********.

Joshua Hamilton: It's really interesting you talk about this because I sat down with Ryan and he talked about it's to tug of war between Vitality which is you feeling** energized and God mode now and Longevity, which is you giving up your lifespan for Your vitality now and I was like fact that's a Because God now sounds awesome on my f****** give me God notes like yeah,…

Harry Orr: So genetically I already have it receding hairline.

Joshua Hamilton: you told me that when I was 16,…

Harry Orr: It was already going backwards. It ramped that up.

Joshua Hamilton: I'll be f*** I don't care about longevity bro hit me.

Harry Orr: So that was happening a hell of a lot faster.

Joshua Hamilton: I was a scorny kid without the confidence…

Harry Orr: And that's why I had to shave my head because I had to see…

Joshua Hamilton: who always shied away from all of the things you mentioned and…

Harry Orr: how bad I look with the shaved head and figure out if I need to go to Turkey to get a hair transplant or…

Joshua Hamilton: it's taken Years of personal development to now be hungry for challenge to now surround myself with those guys…

Harry Orr: I can accept it being on Bald. So that's my logic there and your skin just looks like old like you get wrinkly a faster and…

Joshua Hamilton: who beat the s* out of me every single time, but I'm like I can get better.

Harry Orr: it's I think a lot of people forget that …

Joshua Hamilton: Let's go but it's so interesting…

Harry Orr: whilst it might make you feel younger gives you this boost and…

Joshua Hamilton: because now being older I'm like

Harry Orr: this energy and this driver like all those good things. It's also a pro-aging hormone.

Joshua Hamilton: I don't know

Harry Orr: So it's special…

Joshua Hamilton: if I want to give up years of my life. I f** love living and…

Harry Orr: if you're free to expose to the receding hairline to some of those other factors.

Joshua Hamilton: when you have a kid, there's so much more to live for you've got you time. So you have this thing about life and…

Harry Orr: It's going to Fast Track that as well. And so I plan on being here for another hundred years…

Joshua Hamilton: different decisions to make around what that is like.

Harry Orr: because I'm gonna see Jack's turn 100 and…

Harry Orr: I don't want to age any faster than I am and…

Joshua Hamilton: I guess.

Joshua Hamilton: Going back through it all now.

Harry Orr: so is like I've started to factor in longer term plays now as well.

Joshua Hamilton: I want to understand based on your science and…

Harry Orr: So is me Was heavier actually gonna help me in 80 100 years time or…

Joshua Hamilton: your blood work now because where are you at now? To let the guys know.

Harry Orr: is that actually going to be hard to work for my heart and…

Joshua Hamilton: Okay.

Harry Orr: actually be a negative to that and so for me, I don't need it. I might revisit this for, maybe a micro dose when I'm 50 plus type thing, but for right now,…

Joshua Hamilton: So naturally right and…

Harry Orr: I don't see that as benefiting me in the long term.

Joshua Hamilton: do you still feel a reasonable amount of God mode? being that What's the difference?

Harry Orr: Yeah.

Harry Orr: Let's go.

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Harry Orr: Test is sitting at 36 at the moment and so than the most reference ranges are Eight or nine up to around 30ish is like the reference range for most labs. And so I mind sitting at 36 at the moment naturally.

Joshua Hamilton: Yeah.

Harry Orr: It's hard to describe now. because now I still feel that.

Harry Orr: that Lust For Challenge and for

Harry Orr: competition I guess like that drive but now it feels like it's a weird way to describe it.

Joshua Hamilton: right

Harry Orr: I know a joke when I got those results back I said to you like that.

Joshua Hamilton: es

Harry Orr: The key is just mushrooms and anger. He just read your way through everything and eat more mushrooms. but I think the difference now is Beforehand and…

Joshua Hamilton: Okay, And what levels were you at when you were on test? what your levels were then?

Harry Orr: this is a response to stress which testosterone will impact as well is before when I was stressed because I am significantly stressed at the moment give in trying to grow two businesses be a father do everything that I'm working on.

Joshua Hamilton: Yeah, okay. I guess for guys listening…

Harry Orr: So before stress would have shot a lot of things down.

Joshua Hamilton: who are thinking fact, my test maybe that's why I battle with anxiety or…

Harry Orr: I would have been frustrated.

Joshua Hamilton: that's why I'm bettling with stress and…

Harry Orr: I wouldn't have probably pack an action on so many things I would have gone into more preservation.

Joshua Hamilton: all these things like fact I don't know if I really want to get injectables Then you with your knowledge now…

Harry Orr: mode versus now That stress is fueling.

Joshua Hamilton: if you were to go back and teach that younger self. what would be the strategies or…

Harry Orr: action And that it's I don't know.

Joshua Hamilton: kind of an overview of the system to maximize the testosterone and…

Harry Orr: This is also part of a set of self-development thing but like that anger that I feel.

Joshua Hamilton: just And you walk us through…

Harry Orr: I've recognized that.

Joshua Hamilton: how that stress is affecting testosterone as well and…

Harry Orr: That is not at any one around or…

Joshua Hamilton: how you've used that kind of maximize your testosterone these days…

Harry Orr: anything around me, but it's like a reflection of not being…

Joshua Hamilton: which is then, you…

Harry Orr: where I want to be and…

Joshua Hamilton: given you this demigod mode will call it,…

Harry Orr: so for me on my vision board here in the very middle.

Joshua Hamilton: or in a natural state.

Harry Orr: It says not good enough. And I'm not good enough but the standard right now is not** good enough. So, doing nine when you said you do f*** tent finishing with 15 minutes to go because you don't feel like it or not doing something because it's hard because you don't know what to do because it's uncomfortable not** good enough. and so that frustration and that stress is almost accumulated into drive to shut up and get it done. right and so the level of action Is drastically different? which I think plays a huge role in it as well because there's still that drive of doing uncomfortable things, which I think test helps with.

Harry Orr: I was looking at the results before I think the highest that was 72. And I had two blood tests one was 72 and one was 60 so double.

Harry Orr: So I think it's worth I believe everybody should do this. especially if you're 25 plus you should be getting a yearly blood test.

Harry Orr: regardless of whether you're trying to influence your testosterone whether you feel like you're amazing or you feel like wherever you're at. You should get a regular blood test. Hey, if you're feeling like you might want to something isn't right to check that but then also for a own I guess trend of yourself because let's be real all the reference ranges and the markers that most doctors use are** trash and if you start to have your own records, it's much easier to say, s*** over the last five years sulin my blood glucose level My whatever is creeping in an undesirable Direction. Okay, I can do something minor about it now rather than getting 10 years down the track doing nothing and then your doctor says, you need to take this medication. Otherwise you're gonna be pre-diabetic and if that carries on then you can have to amputated because you lose circulation and you're actually correct.

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Harry Orr: I like my legs so I don't want to have to go down that round. So first of all getting blood test is no where you actually are. So you're not guessing and trying to assume. this might mean I have low test or this might mean whatever get blood test second of all is it and I think this will Upset some people but I hope it reinforces the positive. Message that we preach. Anyway, is that me getting to this point? There's no one silver bullet? it's not like I felt low energy and tired and s***** and a beta and then started taking the supplement or just taking more mushrooms. I was always taking lots of mushrooms. So drink your brain juice kids, but it's not one thing that…

Joshua Hamilton: and I guess one of the most important things there is We can get caught in the reads when it comes out…

Harry Orr: then skyrocketed This and got me to this point. Which means that from a micro level?

Joshua Hamilton: because we get advertised a lot of stuff.

Harry Orr: Okay, there's no one thing that you can do that's gonna improve your test and…

Joshua Hamilton: On. There are a lot of shiny objects. There are a lot of Pills and Potions there is Jim exercise equipment there.

Harry Orr: but on a macro level it's your health in general.

Joshua Hamilton: There is that and…

Harry Orr: So it's your sleep.

Joshua Hamilton: I guess that…

Harry Orr: It's how you handle your stress.

Joshua Hamilton: what we preach and what we share with our guys is the easiest system.

Harry Orr: It's your nutrition. It's how you move your body.

Joshua Hamilton: We have found to get to a place…

Harry Orr: It's how much sun you get. It's like all these fact you like your lifestyle.

Joshua Hamilton: where you're at and it's individual guys. why do you still shows different to Harry?

Harry Orr: It's all these things that accumulate to Optimal Health…

Joshua Hamilton: We do different things. I'm always trying to get mine…

Harry Orr: which results in…

Joshua Hamilton: because I want to see that…

Harry Orr: then Optimal Performance.

Joshua Hamilton: where my Bloods are at for the level of performance that I…

Harry Orr: And so even…

Joshua Hamilton: but is one thing that we always talk about and…

Harry Orr: if you get a blood test that says and you've got low testosterone …

Joshua Hamilton: You need to actually nervous system.

Joshua Hamilton: If…

Harry Orr: Ask yourself.

Joshua Hamilton: if you're jacked up and…

Joshua Hamilton: stressed all the time, and your nervous system is** Haywire. You're not gonna fix your endocrine system.

Harry Orr: Why do I have lost those Australian your body's not just gonna say f*** you.

Harry Orr: I'm gonna stop producing testosterone.

Joshua Hamilton: Your hormones aren't going to come in line.

Harry Orr: There's a reason for it,…

Joshua Hamilton: You're gonna have gut issues.

Harry Orr: right and…

Joshua Hamilton: You're gonna feel like a slob you're gonna feel demotivated.

Harry Orr: so blood work as well is a good indicator of the rest of your health…

Joshua Hamilton: You're gonna feel like you got procrastination like you have a million things on your plate.

Harry Orr: because it's puzzle pieces. There's like you can't just do one thing and…

Joshua Hamilton: You take no action and you just have no idea where you want to go.

Harry Orr: change one level.

Joshua Hamilton: That is the feeling that comes from having your nervous system in a place that is negatively impacting you that's…

Harry Orr: One level influences others up down sideways, like all these things and so it's the same as health. If you're looking after your health as a whole.

Joshua Hamilton: why we have determine performance and I'll be honest like Harry is an inspiration.

Harry Orr: Then that's going to plug a lot of these holes…

Joshua Hamilton: He is someone I always look to for…

Harry Orr: where you might have symptoms that people just try and…

Joshua Hamilton: how well he runs his life…

Harry Orr: slap Band-Aids on and…

Joshua Hamilton: because he puts all the protocols and…

Harry Orr: I've got low tests. So here take this supplement.

Joshua Hamilton: for his nervous system.

Harry Orr: I've got low energy here have this energy drink?

Joshua Hamilton: He puts all the protocols and from that for his food prep his digestion his nutrition his workouts his gems and…

Harry Orr: I can't sleep here. Take this sleeping pill. But when you figure out why you are experiencing these things address that thing…

Joshua Hamilton: everything which sit at the top of the pyramid he nails like he is the epitome of it and…

Harry Orr: then I guarantee you will have so many other side benefits that come from fixing that other than the one symptom that you're experiencing.

Joshua Hamilton: one of the things you talked about Harry was like you've got two businesses. You've got a kid. No one can argue with the fact that there's not stress in your life.

Harry Orr: And your life will be so much better off. You'll spend a hell of a lot less money and…

Joshua Hamilton: You cannot eliminate stress from your life. but

Harry Orr: it's so much more sustainable because you're not doing something for this short-term fix.

Joshua Hamilton: You can build a better body a better mind and a bit of nervous system to deal with high levels of stress and what do guys with high levels of stress in life. They get paid more. They have better relationships. everything works out for that guy that can handle more.

Joshua Hamilton: Is that simple?

Harry Orr: it's

Joshua Hamilton: I think that's such an important piece of the puzzle and…

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Harry Orr: I think it's also worth saying as well, even that shift in itself of a lot of people have the approach of I need to reduce my stress.

Joshua Hamilton: and I'm a culpriter this as well. we want to get somewhere faster. We always want to get to our summer quicker.

Harry Orr: I need to have less stress,…

Joshua Hamilton: So we're looking for a shiny objects.

Harry Orr: but what…

Joshua Hamilton: It's there but I find it interesting use games for an example,…

Harry Orr: if you could just handle more? Right, what if you could handle more and not get tired not get so overwhelmed or…

Joshua Hamilton: the online games or…

Harry Orr: anxious that you take no action and…

Joshua Hamilton: PlayStation or whatever. It's like every level you get to you meet a big boss at the end of the level.

Harry Orr: that's where testosterone kicks in because testosterone will help you to have a higher threshold to stress.

Joshua Hamilton: But funnily enough all through that stage.

Harry Orr: You'll be able to handle more without having the negative repercussions.

Joshua Hamilton: You've learned all these new skills develop these shields and…

Harry Orr: cortisol, as it elevates initially you have an increase in testosterone to handle that stress,…

Joshua Hamilton: these powers and to beat this guy. Everybody wants to go to level 10.

Harry Orr: but where most people Get f** up.

Joshua Hamilton: But everybody wants the new leadership role they want the business.

Harry Orr: Is that cortisol?

Joshua Hamilton: They want all these things. I want the more money.

Harry Orr: And that stress response is not an acute response.

Joshua Hamilton: I want the better relationship and I'm like dude if I put that on your plate right now…

Harry Orr: It becomes a chronic response and…

Joshua Hamilton: if I made you VP of a company or…

Harry Orr: so because it's elevated for so long your testosterone can't keep up with trying to be elevated for so long and…

Joshua Hamilton: CEO or something like that you would crumble Absolutely, it's crumble.

Harry Orr: so it diminishes so you've got high test High cortisol and…

Joshua Hamilton: Right, you wouldn't handle it.

Harry Orr: low test and…

Joshua Hamilton: If you want any of those things.

Harry Orr: so your ability to handle that stress is much lower.

Joshua Hamilton: A bit of I love the one with Partners I think families are so important for stronger communities.

Harry Orr: And so that's where Our approach of fixing the nervous system first comes into play. So you fix that and…

Joshua Hamilton: If you want to have an amazing relationship,…

Harry Orr: then as you increase your testosterone,…

Joshua Hamilton: you need to be able to handle more you need to be able to control and…

Harry Orr: you can handle more stress and handle it in a way. That isn't Deprecating that you can handle it take action on it or…

Joshua Hamilton: We're not reduced. But deal with the stress by sorting out your nervous…

Harry Orr: even better yet just decide.

Harry Orr: Hey, that's not a problem and just get on with it,…

Joshua Hamilton: And that the gains are amazing.

Joshua Hamilton: The gains really are amazing.

Harry Orr: but you're able to as you said handle more work so you can make more money juggle multiple businesses or…

Joshua Hamilton: I wish the younger self would have known about the perimeter performance, right? He would have been stacked you'd be sitting here 105 kilos.

Harry Orr: still be present with your kids and family after you've had a hectic day at work be that guy that you like how the hell does this guy have so much in his head and on his plate but he's still walking around with smile on his face and…

Joshua Hamilton: Hey, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Harry Orr: still just dominating in life. Whereas other people have this tiniest little inconvenience …

Joshua Hamilton: I think thanks guys for listening today.

Harry Orr: the world's gonna win.

Joshua Hamilton: I hope this has been helpful for you.

Harry Orr: That's why.

Joshua Hamilton: I hope you've got a really good insight into how your indoor current system can work and how the testosterone affects you highly recommend Harry C. Get your blood stunned. You need to measure against yourself not measuring against the general population guys. We are called the uncommon man podcast for reason. I don't want to be in the common. I don't want to be in the general population. I want to measure myself against uncommon. So it's so important that you go and get that Health done for yourself all of our clients. We have a specific blood procedure that they take to the doctors because for some reason doctors make it very hard to get it down. We take it we walk them through the whole process and they go and get that done the next piece guys if

Joshua Hamilton: If you were thinking how the hell do I get my nervous system in check. What do I do Harry and the team have designed a seven-day nervous system reset. We'll put the link in the description. You can join there. It's literally you jump in it starts you have seven days.

Harry Orr: Yeah.

Joshua Hamilton: We don't f*** around because we don't want guys in here that are going to buy another shiny object.

Joshua Hamilton: But get another course and then not do anything about it. This is completely free. But day one starts the task. Is the education is there and your track for your entire time. But once day ones done, it's gone same day too. So you literally have seven days to do this and the impact will be massive on you the tools you learn you'll be able to build your resilience to deal with stress and increase eventually things like testosterone you drive your motivation and start to feel that passion to life that you look back and think why the f*** don't have that anymore wake up with that morning would …

Harry Orr: right, I would have been in such a different position…

Joshua Hamilton: enjoy sex more with your partner have the passion that you want for it.

Harry Orr: if he knew about that stuff, but you live and you learn right worse things have happened to people.

Joshua Hamilton: So if you want that guys, I'll put the link in the description. I hope you've enjoyed this podcast. If you have please share fire and wide our mission is stronger communities, and we need the message the mission Love you all. Hope you had an awesome week and enjoy the podcast. Cheers.